Here's the collective thoughts on another depressing Welsh football night - even though we won and Cardiff City's Joe Ledley got the winner - in our Euro 2008 stumble campaign from manager and captain.
BBC printed and audio quotes from Bellamy and Toshack
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/internationals/7050014.stm
BBC match report
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/internationals/7044147.stm
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